This is a very deep conversation that you said you don't like small talk.

No, no, but people, but I put a, when we promote the podcast, you've got a picture of Trevor Noah,

and we'll put a little clip and people like, I'm going to listen to this one.

It's going to be so funny.

I mean, we can still make jokes.

I love to think, but more important, I love to think about things that make my head hurt.

I like really difficult, complicated things that there's no obvious right or wrong, which

means I love people who make me think about those things.

And one of the best people who does this is Trevor Noah.

You may know Trevor from The Daily Show and as a stand-up comedian and best-selling author.

What I love him for is for his intense ability to think about things and see things that the

rest of us don't see. This episode is intense and it'll definitely make you think and it'll

definitely make your head hurt in a good way. This is a bit of optimism.

Trevor, always a joy to see you and sit down with you.

Always fun, my friend. I've never sat down with you ever, ever, ever and not learn something or had my perspective changed about something because of that insane mind that you have that I so love.

It's a lot of pressure on our conversations now. I feel like one day we should hang out

and not talk about anything new or interesting.

Just so we have like a, you know, we don't want to be a pressure.

We don't like small talk.

I actually like small talk.

Do you?

Yeah, you know why?

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