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So my guest today, James Gordon, study to become a psychiatrist at Harvard, he became

a clinical professor at Georgetown Med School, was chairman under president Clinton and

George W. Bush of the White House Commission on Complementary and alternative medicine policy

and really deeply involved in the world of government and trying to investigate what's

working and what's not working in the world of health and medicine. And the further sort

of he moved into the field, the more constrained he started to feel by the rules and traditions

all around him and the kind of inner advocate and activists and rebel inside him kept challenging

the system and searching for new and different ways to help people and feel better. That

led him eventually to create a really different integrated approach that draws upon self-awareness

and self-care and group support to heal population-wide psychological trauma and then found

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