We've picked like just the parts of the civil rights movement or specifically Martin Luther King's words that feel

Comitable for us and so we're like oh, yeah totally. I want black and white kids to play together. That's nice

I don't really want to talk about how my silence makes me complicit which he also said or

You know the stuff that he said about the problems with wealth

This is Sarah and Beth your listening to pantsuit politics the home of grace filled political conversations

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Am so excited to be here today with Kristen Howardton author of rage against the minivan learning to parent without perfection

As a long time follower of Kristen. I'm so excited to now call her my friend and so excited to welcome to the show

We invited Kristen because we had a couple listeners reach out and say

Hey in the middle of this

Racial reckoning and all these conversations about race

They felt like there was a real moment to talk to somebody who's experienced

Transracial fostering and transracial adoption

Kristen immediately came to my mind because she has adopted

Transracially she has four children you had four under four at one time

Which is a lot of the part of your book and sometimes I think about it and it makes me sweat but

You've lived it and as we talk about these issues

The best perspective is always the lived experience I think and so welcome to our show so much and thank you for coming and talking about this with us

Well, thanks for having me

So first-door audience who has not been following rage against the minivan for years and years like I have tell us your

Family makeup your story even though it is it is long and winding and there is a graph and your

illustration and your book to help people keep up

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