Hello, everybody, and welcome to Three Point Perspective, the podcast about illustration,

how to do it, how to make a living at it, and how to make an impact of the world with your art.

I'm Jake Parker.

I'm Lee White.

And I'm Will Terry. All three of us are professional illustrators.

And we've been working for about the last 25 years.

And we've worked with just about every major publisher in the business. And we've published together somewhere around 50 books total.

And we've all taught illustration. I want to get a actual number. We should just really sit down.

I think it's way more than 50.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think if we added them up, because it's just mine's like 26.

And I've got like 30, so there you go.

Yeah, right.

Does that count self-published?

Do self-published books count?

Yeah, sure.

Okay, yes.

If you made money on them, it does.

Oh, yeah. I mean, it counts.

Yeah. Listen, check this out. Just real quick, I've done four drawings books. I've just sold out of drawings one, drawings two, and drawings three. I just sold out of drawings three. So that

means I've sold out of the first three. They each had a print run of 2000. So I've sold

6,000 books at $25 a pop. Now that doesn't count. I'm not complaining. It doesn't count.

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