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Moral Maze

Transgender Rights

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.5609 Ratings

🗓️ 20 February 2020

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Two of the final three Labour leadership candidates have signed pledges to defend trans rights, expel party members who express "transphobic" views and fight against Woman’s Place UK, LGB Alliance and “other trans-exclusionist hate groups”. Both those groups cited insist they are merely campaigning for the rights of women as they exist under UK Equality law, as well as those of gay, lesbian and bisexual people. This bitter quarrel could be seen as symptomatic of a wider culture war which calls into question the very notions of gender, sex, sexuality, social justice and inclusivity. For many trans activists, a failure to recognise trans women as women or trans men as men is itself hateful, because they believe it denies the most fundamental fact of their identity. Their critics, however, accuse them of denying a biological reality that sex is determined at birth. It is, they say, unreasonable to refuse even to discuss the subject. For those prepared to debate, there’s a lot to think about. What constitutes “transphobia”? What are the moral implications of gender self-identification? What rights and protections should be afforded to ‘biological’ females in women's changing rooms, refuges and prisons? What does gender self-identification mean for women’s sport? More fundamentally, where does ‘masculinity’ end and ‘femininity’ begin? How should we respond to the increasing numbers of children and teenagers, particularly girls, being diagnosed with gender dysphoria? And what ethical considerations should apply in deciding whether and how to treat them? With Jane Fae, Graham Linehan, Torr Robinson and Kiri Tunks.

Producer: Dan Tierney.

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0:00.0

You're listening to a program from BBC Radio 4.

0:03.5

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

0:05.5

How bewilderingly old-fashioned, perhaps worse that sounds,

0:09.2

at a time when a BBC school's video tells nine-year-olds that it's really, really exciting,

0:15.2

there are 100 genders, if not more, now.

0:18.7

Gender is the new social battlefield,

0:20.6

where minorities who see themselves with

0:22.5

some justification as having been marginalised and discriminated against, and not only fighting

0:27.5

the normative majority, but increasingly with each other. Two of the three Labour leadership

0:32.6

candidates have waded into this increasingly venomous cultural civil war. They pledge themselves to a transgender

0:38.8

manifesto that labels named women's and gay rights organisations trans-exclusionary hate groups.

0:46.4

The manifesto insists that trans women are women and trans men are men. A refusal to accept this

0:53.2

fundamental aspect of their perceived identity,

0:55.8

or even attempts to discuss it, are explicitly or implicitly regarded as hateful, bigotry,

1:01.3

in this case, meriting expulsion from the party. The main women's group involved says

1:06.5

it's only concerned with protecting hard-won women's rights, particularly female changing rooms,

1:12.4

refugees, prisons, which could, and in many cases already are, open to male-bodied people,

1:17.7

some even with records of sexual offences.

1:20.3

There are other issues for those who do want to debate the moral implications of gender self-identification.

1:26.0

Can biology be a matter of opinion? Is it morally right

1:29.3

or even scientifically tenable to make an absolute distinction between sex and gender? The one

1:34.4

objective assigned at birth, the other subjective a matter entirely of feelings and individual

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