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The Way Out Is In

Transforming Generational Suffering and Hatred (Episode #59)

The Way Out Is In

Plum Village

Education, Religion & Spirituality, Buddhism, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

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🗓️ 20 November 2023

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to episode 59 of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. In this episode, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach and journalist Jo Confino discuss conflicts in our world. They focus on the war in the Middle East, through the prism of Thich Nhat Hanh’s teachings, which remain so relevant in the current moment.  Exploring Thich Nhat Hanh’s teachings in relation to conflict, pain, and the path to peace, the presenters investigate ways to not take sides during a conflict, and how Thay managed this during the Vietnam War; deep listening, holding space, and transforming the conflict in us; keeping communities together; cultivating nondiscrimination; walking the path of love and understanding in times of war; and gratitude.  Brother Phap Huu further shares around Thay’s legacy of dealing with conflict and the joint retreats he organized for Palestinians and Israelis in Plum Village; ways to show love for humanity; right action and enabling healing in the present moment; the importance of small acts of kindness; our own true presence of peace and nondiscrimination.  Jo also opens up about what it feels like to go through a “period of deconstruction”; being the child of refugees and the deep connection this can create to generational trauma; dealing with the tensions created in organizations by global conflicts; and fear, and how to not be consumed by despair, but, instead, how to feel it in order to transform it. The episode ends with offerings of gratitude and a short meditation guided by Brother Phap Huu.  Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/ And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/  With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ List of resources  A Cloud Never Dieshttps://plumvillage.org/a-cloud-never-dies Interbeinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing  Peace Begins Herehttps://www.parallax.org/product/peace-begins-here/  Calming the Fearful Mindhttps://www.parallax.org/product/calming-the-fearful-mind-a-zen-response-to-terrorism/  Love in Actionhttps://www.parallax.org/product/love-in-action/  Peace Is Every Stephttps://www.parallax.org/product/peace-is-every-step/ The Way Out Is In: ‘War and Peace (Episode #24)’https://plumvillage.org/podcast/war-and-peace-episode-24 Dharma Talks: ‘Right View: Understanding the Roots of Our True Happiness’https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/right-view-understanding-the-roots-of-our-true-happiness Rains Retreathttps://plumvillage.org/retreats/info/rains-retreat-2023  Quotes “Thay went through the Vietnam War, or as it is known in Vietnam, the American War, and was constantly under pressure to take sides. And he refused to take sides and advocated for peace, knowing that violence does not end violence, that war does not end war, that killing does not end killing, and that all it creates is generational trauma.” “Thay’s foundation of action was peace, and his foundation of action came from true love and deep mindfulness. To be aware of the suffering, to listen to the suffering, and to look deeply at the suffering will be the way out of the suffering.”  “What you can offer is your true presence of peace, your true presence of nondiscrimination, and your true presence of courage to show up where it is needed.”  “Thay did not take sides; he took nonviolence as the path and peace as the path. So the voice that we speak, that we use, the actions of body, speech, and mind, is to generate and cultivate peace inside, to bring peace around us.” “Thay always spoke about cultivating inner peace in order to touch true love inside, b

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0:00.0

Dear friends, welcome back to this latest episode of the podcast The Way Out is In. I am Joe Cunfino working at the intersection of personal transformation and systems evolution.

0:27.0

And I am Brother Fabu, a Zen Buddhist monk student of Zen Master Tignihan in the Plum Village community.

0:32.0

And brother, we're back!

0:34.0

I know, it's been a long time.

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It's been probably five, six weeks,

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and we're back in the sitting still hut of Tignardown in upper Hamlet Plum Village in the

0:46.2

southwest of France and we're sitting around Ty's kitchen table and it's good to be back brother and good to see you.

0:54.6

Likewise, it's very cozy right now.

0:57.0

Very cozy.

0:58.0

It's been raining here constantly in a way that we've never experienced and so it's nice to be inside cozy dry and

1:08.0

and not to hear the howling of the wind. And in one sense brother the weather is quite apt for this conversation because we've been going through non-stop rain and storms,

1:22.8

which is, in a sense, I think,

1:24.4

what's been going on in the world as well.

1:26.3

And we're going to be using this episode

1:28.0

to explore the teachings of Zen Master Tiknetan

1:31.9

in relationship to conflict, pain, and the path to peace. The way out of the same thing.

1:45.0

The way out is in. Hello everyone I am Joe Confino and I am Brother Fabhu.

2:01.5

And brother, in the last month, of course,

2:05.8

we know that there's been this terrible conflict

2:09.2

in the Middle East.

2:10.5

And so I think we felt it would be important to explore this.

2:16.0

What's been going on in the light of Ty's teachings

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