Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Jasmine Singer. And this is Marianne Sullivan. And this week, Marianne will be speaking with Tyler Whitley, who is the director of Transformation, which is a project of mercy for animals. This is such an

important topic. It's like, you know, how to get farmers out of animal farming and into growing

real food. This is something that we have been, you know, talking about for a while. And yet

we have not done nearly enough interviews on this subject. I know. I've been wanting

to do an interview for a long time and somehow it just never came together. I'm really excited about it.

Yeah. So so am I. And so thank you so much for making that happen. I just think there's so many

questions to be to be explored in making animals animals and making making the care of animals a

public policy issue and sometimes it leads us into things you know that we don't love like helping

people who are who are now mistreating animals but as we'll see from this a lot of them are being

mistreated as well you get into public policy and it's not as pure as animal rights theory,

but it's what we've got to do in order to change the world. So this is so important. I mean,

people are not going to just stop farming animals, but if they can see that they can really make

money and grow food that we all want, it's such an important step in the right direction, I think.

Speaking of where we're going in the future,

there were a few articles that you pulled out that we wanted to chat about today,

and they're totally bananas.

You know, I do rising anxieties at the end of the show normally.

And this week, I kind of wanted to try the way we used to do it, which is like more together. I just said it would be good to try. And so that's what we're going to do. And I'm going to do it at the top of the show instead of at the end of the show. So if this is a part of the show that you hate, feel free to fast forward. But I want to talk about And for and for those of you who aren't familiar with rising anxieties,

which I guess are those of you who like always turn the episode off at the end of the interview

and don't wait to hear me at the end.

I don't know what you're all thinking.

But anyway, I'll explain, sort of.

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