Trans People are Facing a 'Dual State' in Trump's America
On the Media
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🗓️ 25 March 2026
⏱️ 25 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, you're listening to the On the Media Midweek podcast. I'm Michael Lowinger. |
| 0:04.3 | This week, the Idaho Senate is considering a bill that would block transgender people from using public bathrooms that conform with their gender identity. |
| 0:14.4 | A first offense could land someone in prison for a year. |
| 0:19.4 | This bill is the latest in a cascade of legal action stripping away trans rights. |
| 0:25.1 | In Kansas... |
| 0:26.4 | Around 1,700 people in Kansas are about to have their driver's licenses declared invalid. |
| 0:32.0 | Why? Because they're transgender. |
| 0:33.9 | A new Kansas law takes effect requiring transgender people to use public building bathrooms |
| 0:39.0 | corresponding with their sex at birth. It lets any citizens sue someone they think is trans for |
| 0:45.6 | $1,000 if they violate that rule. In Tennessee, House Bill 754 would require clinics who perform |
| 0:52.2 | gender transition surgeries to also perform detransition procedures. |
| 0:56.3 | It would also require clinics and insurance companies to report the occurrence of these procedures to the Tenancy Department of Health, who would then record various statistics into a database. |
| 1:05.0 | And in West Virginia, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has reversed a lower court ruling, meaning that the state's |
| 1:12.0 | Medicaid policy excluding coverage for gender affirming surgeries will be upheld. |
| 1:17.6 | That last ruling was based on a Supreme Court decision from June in a case called U.S. v. Scermedy. |
| 1:24.3 | The High Court upheld a Tennessee law banning puberty blockers and gender-affirming |
| 1:29.8 | care for minors. In order to better understand these legal setbacks, civil rights attorney |
| 1:35.6 | Alejandra Carabayo has looked to legal scholar Ernst Frankel. He created what was called |
| 1:41.6 | the dual state. Brooke spoke to Alejandra earlier this month. |
| 1:46.1 | And he divided it into two categories, the normative state and the prerogative state. |
| 1:52.2 | The normative state is basically everything that you run into every day. |
| 1:55.9 | You go and pay your taxes, you go to court, the state is pretty much acting as normal. And then there's |
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