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I'm determined, that's why I was desperate. When you sent me that message going,

so it was me right for sticking my head, I was like, no, no, this is not how this is going to go.

Appreciate it. This is not how this is, this is not how this should ever go.

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kissen.

And this is a show for you, if you want, on his conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant guest is a friend of the show in a restaurant called James Cavareini,

welcome to Trigonometry. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me both.

Listen, man, it's great to have you on. I wish the circumstances were different. We'll talk about

that in a second. But before we get into that, tell everybody, who are you?

How are you, where you are? What has been your journey through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?

Right. So both my parents came over from Italy to open restaurants in the UK.

My father was part of the sort of first wave of Italian restaurants that opened up.

Remember that we've only really had restaurants in this country for like 55, 60 years.

My dad settled on a little place in Ketitanoia, Chicago,

Portugal, which I've been in 1967, I believe. And then started working his absolute butt off

as hard as he could. And then got married to my mum. I'm joined the business again.

And you know, fast forward 55, 56 years. And here we are still going strong.

And it's a, you know, it's a restaurant where we go to celebrate birthdays and occasions and

all of that. You're great. The food's great. Everything's great. But there've been some events

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