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Welcome back to Tragic Hollywood, a newer name for unscripted.

This is a name actually that we have had in mind for three years now.

And who we are talking about today, it was actually a catalyst for this segment.

So for three years, Natalie and I have... We've had this idea growing, and we didn't necessarily know how to like launch it.

We talked a lot about it.

We recorded this episode actually all those years ago, too.

I'm glad it didn't work out the first time we recorded an episode on JFK Jr. and Carolyn.

It just wasn't exactly the right fit for us. And I think that's what's taken us so long to get

tragic Hollywood launched is that we were filling out what we were wanting to do, what felt

authentic to us. And as we were working on unscripted, we realized as we were doing these deep dives that we kept pulling

from our tragic Hollywood list that we had made three years ago. And it just feels right.

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