This season of Out Alive is brought to you by Garman.

I'm Casey Lyons, executive editor at Backpacker, and here's a safety tip from Garman.

Manage the flow of information.

Keep someone at home posted about your progress.

On the trail sign registers to create a record of your travels.

If you meet someone sketchy, you vague about your plans.

Don't give someone info they can use against you.

This episode contains adult content and profanity that is not

suitable for all listeners. Previously on Out Alive.

James Jordan was just kind of scaring tons of hikers, very violent feeling.

It's holding this knife, like in my direction, saying that I can't stay in the shelter.

And the weather outside of the shelter is life-threatening.

He threatened to kill us and he told us why we deserved to die and

threatened to pour gasoline on the tents and light us up.

And it sounded like maybe there would be an opportunity,

an opportunity to leave.

I made a decision to survive.

You're in that survival mode.

The idea of dying wasn't in my head.

I knew immediately it was the worst case scenario.

I was in a fight for my life situation.

Whenever you walk out on these trails, you're in their house.

...