Welcome to Sons of Patriarchy, a podcast devoted to understanding how men and women get caught up in the systems of patriarchy, Christian nationalism, and the far right.

For years, these have been on the French, but now they're mainstream.

They've come from places like Moscow, Idaho, and are influencing churches, families,

schools, marriages, and institutions across the country, and now in Washington, D.C.

Every Monday, I interview experts in the fields we focus on, whether they be authors,

reporters, other podcasters, academics, professors,

former members of these groups, and more.

Our companion podcast, they called her bitter, amplifies the stories of survivors and the advocates

who come around them, detailing how the ideas we talk about here impact real lives because what was done in the dark

will be dragged in the light.

All right. Well, welcome to Sons of Patriarchy where we're focused on Doug Wilson, Christian

nationalism, patriarchy, and all those things. But we've expanded, we haven't lost our focus,

but we've expanded our focus to talk about Christian nationalism in general, not just the

Wilsonian flavor, but all flavors of Christian nationalism. The manosphere, crisis of masculinity,

red-pilling, tried-wise, which we're going to be talking about today, the influencers within these,

because all of these circles intersect at really interesting places.

And like I just said, one of those places we're going to look at intersections,

and influencing networks and social media in evangelical subcultures is tradwives and some other stuff

around that too in parenting and everything else we've talked to her co-author twice on this

series marissa bert and now we finally got got Kelsey to come on this show to talk about

her work too. So thanks for coming on the series. Hello. Thank you for having me. Of course.

Yeah. So I'm, like, so you've got your bachelor's and masters and PhD and that you're,

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