This week one of my favorite returning guests comes back to join us for another energy healing dialogue.

We will be speaking with the one and only Brent Stickley.

And Brent is, and again, even though you've been on the show before, I'm going to do that intro

thing where I describe you and you correct me or make additions to it, right?

So Brandstikli is a practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine

and also a teacher of the same discipline

or collections of disciplines.

And from last time we check you are West Coast your Pacific

Northwest Portland the Mecca of classical Chinese medicine of course what else do we need to tell people at the beginning of the dialogue about you and your stuff?

Well, so this is my third time on. One solo, once with Jeremy and Barbara talking about Gebsir and now the third time. So this is like my third time's a charm and

opportunity to talk about all the things that I wished I had talked about before.

Oh, so amongst those, well for one thing, for the, especially for premium members,

we're gonna talk about the zigorate of healing

and what that means.

And the other thing that I really wanna talk about

is that my real specialty is derived from the work that I've done as a student of Dr. Leon

Hammer and he wrote a book called Dragon Rise's Red Bird Flies, Psychology and Chinese Medicine.

And so I call what I do actually Chinese Medicine anti-psychiatry and also anarcho integral physiosemiotics. And what I mean by that is we understand that at its root,

Chinese medicine is really a science of symbols. And that's something that is that that idea of a science of symbols is also something

that's been popularized by Heiner Fruhoff who founded the school where I teach in Portland, Oregon.

And his work has been well received worldwide on that subject of Chinese

medicine truly as a science of symbols. And we can make a

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