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Actually, full disclosure, I'm not going to be on this podcast episode.

My colleague, Jason Del Rey, who is the best damn e-commerce reporter you can find.

He works with me at Recode.

He's interviewing Nick Bilton of Vanity Fair.

So they're going to talk about Silk Road, which is Nick's new book. They talk about a bunch of other stuff. Nick's great. Jason's great. You're in great hands. Enjoy the show. Thanks, Peter. Like you said,

I'm here with Nick Bilton, journalist and author of a few books, but most recently American Kingpin, The Epic Hunt for the Criminal Mastermind behind the Silk Road. Welcome, Nick.

Thank you for having me.

So typically, I don't bring notes with me to interviews onstage stuff or podcasts, but there's so much I want to cover today that I'm not embarrassed to show you. There's a little index card here.

And it's a paper index card. I'm surprised you don't have your cell phone with notes written in

Evernote. Is Evernote still exist? It does in some form. But no, that's not me. I'm pretty old school.

You're a paper guy. I'm a paper guy. So a lot to get to. But let's start with American Kingpin, came out yesterday, which

is, would be Tuesday, May 2nd. Are you glued to the Amazon rankings? I'm trying not to look.

It's funny, I've actually turned, I don't have Google alerts on my name. I don't look at my

replies unless it's from people I'm friends with. I try not to look at the

Amazon rankings or the comments. It is, if you live by that, you live by the highs and you die by

the lows and I find it better just to kind of try to get through the day without looking. But every

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