Tracing the Path from Bernie Goetz and Reagan to Today
The Brian Lehrer Show
WNYC
4.6 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 5 February 2026
⏱️ 25 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | It's the Brian Lowe Show on WNYC. |
| 0:13.3 | Good morning again, everyone. |
| 0:15.1 | So some of you have a certain age and may remember, |
| 0:19.4 | and many others of you may have read about, the infamous subway shooting of |
| 0:24.7 | 1984, a man named Bernhard Getz, gunned down four black teenagers on the number two train, |
| 0:33.3 | and of course the media ran wild with a story. It was, of course, a real story. |
| 0:39.4 | The New York Post and the Daily News published hundreds of pieces with sensational headlines, |
| 0:45.4 | framing the teens as hardened criminals, and Gets as a sort of vigilante hero. |
| 0:50.0 | It was an era-defining incident in the Koch 80s, the Reagan 80s, the time when crime and poverty |
| 0:57.4 | were running rampant in the city, certainly compared to now, despite the fact that the shootings |
| 1:03.1 | appeared to be basically unprovoked to critics of gets, prevailing public public opinion pretty quickly cited with him and celebrated |
| 1:15.0 | the shootings as an act of bravery or at least self-defense from a mugging. |
| 1:20.5 | Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Heather Ann Thompson recently published a book that details |
| 1:25.6 | the shooting and its political backdrop. The book offers a rich |
| 1:29.2 | narrative account of the incident and how the public's reaction to it offers crucial insight |
| 1:34.5 | into the kind of racial resentment that politicians have been capitalizing on before, certainly, |
| 1:40.5 | but also maybe in a different way ever since. It's also about the fallout of |
| 1:45.7 | Reaganomics, the rise of conservative media in the city, maybe the country, the weaponization of |
| 1:52.1 | fear that has come to define a big part of American politics. I'll also note that it's a |
| 1:58.1 | page turner. She dives into the lives of the victims whose names are |
| 2:02.6 | Darrell K.B. Barry Allen, Troy Canty, and James Ramsor, and I mention their names because they are far less |
| 2:08.4 | famous than Bernhardt gets himself. And through their stories, she lays out a deep political and |
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