meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
The Business of Fashion Podcast

Tracee Ellis Ross: Understanding the Diversity of Humanity is Good Business

The Business of Fashion Podcast

The Business of Fashion

Fashion & Beauty, Business, Arts

4.6770 Ratings

🗓️ 20 June 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

When Tracee Ellis Ross launched Pattern Beauty in 2019, she set out to challenge the beauty industry's lack of products for curly, coily and tight-textured hair. Despite numerous obstacles, including scepticism about market viability and systemic biases in the product testing process, Ross has built Pattern into a leading haircare brand addressing an underserved market.


“Black beauty and textured hair was not being mirrored back as a celebration but instead it was a problem,” Ross shared. “[Pattern] is to allow people to have the access to their most beautiful hair and self in their own bathroom as opposed to having to always trust a professional.”


During her conversation with BoF founder Imran Amed at The Business of Beauty Global Forum 2025 in Napa Valley, California, Ross shared her journey from Hollywood actress to entrepreneur, detailed the systemic changes she's driving in the haircare industry and emphasised the importance of humanity in business building. 


Key Insights: 


  •  Ross described her early struggle with understanding and accepting her natural hair as a deeply personal and emotional journey. "Making sense of how my hair grew out of my head was difficult," she said. "I had to master and understand and gain a sense of love and celebration in my hair." This experience became the foundation for her brand Pattern, which aims to shift the narrative around textured hair from one of difficulty to one of pride and empowerment.


  • Ross articulated how the standard beauty narrative has often required Black women to erase parts of themselves to be seen. “There’s a part of beauty and beauty culture that has been about erasing who we are in order to fit in,” she said. Through Pattern, she seeks to change that narrative by celebrating individuality and authenticity: “I want people to have their hair. They just need the right products to support their hair. That’s what doesn’t exist.”


  • Pattern was not an overnight success born of celebrity privilege — it took a decade of perseverance, rejection and self-education, Ross said. “There’s this myth that I was this famous actress who had lots of money to start a company — garbage,” she said. “I’m a Black actress in Hollywood. Let’s be clear about my finances.”


  • While products are at the heart of Pattern, Ross stressed that her brand is rooted in community, identity and purpose. “Pattern is about allowing people access to their most beautiful hair, their most beautiful self, in their own bathroom,” she said. “You have an opportunity to take all that wasted space not serving this customer and turn it into money, purpose, and value.”


Additional Resources:



Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

Hi, this is Imran Ahmed, founder and CEO of the Business of Fashion. Welcome to the

0:08.7

Bof podcast. It's Friday, June 20th. When Tracy Ellis Ross launched Pattern Beauty in 2019, she set out to

0:18.0

challenge the beauty industry's lack of products for curly, coily, and tight textured

0:22.9

hair. Despite numerous obstacles, including skepticism about market viability and systemic biases in the

0:30.5

product testing process, Tracy has built pattern into a leading hair care brand addressing an

0:36.4

underserved customer.

0:38.3

Black beauty and textured hair was not being mirrored back as a celebration, but instead it

0:42.7

was a problem. It was not being mirrored back as a sense of joy and a sense of beauty and a

0:47.5

sense of power and a sense of history and a sense of legacy and a sense of culture and a sense

0:52.0

of selfhood. And so that was what I started to dream of.

0:56.3

During my conversation with Tracy at the Business of Beauty Global Forum

0:59.9

2025 in Napa Valley, California,

1:03.1

she shared her journey from Hollywood actress to entrepreneur,

1:07.0

detailed the systemic changes she's driving in the hair care industry,

1:14.9

and emphasized the importance of humanity in business building.

1:19.0

Here's Tracy Ellis Ross on the B.O.F. podcast.

1:24.6

I'm so happy.

1:25.4

Thank you.

1:28.3

Hi. All right.. Hi. All right.

1:29.3

All right.

1:30.3

All right.

1:31.3

Wait, can we do something first?

...

Transcript will be available on the free plan in 15 days. Upgrade to see the full transcript now.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from The Business of Fashion, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of The Business of Fashion and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.