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Full-Tilt Parenting: Strategies, Insights, and Connection for Parents Raising Neurodivergent Children

TPP 173: What is Pathological Demand Avoidance in Children? With Dr. Melissa Neff

Full-Tilt Parenting: Strategies, Insights, and Connection for Parents Raising Neurodivergent Children

Debbie Reber

Education, Kids & Family, Parenting

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 1 September 2019

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

This episode is a deep dive into pathological demand avoidance in children (also known as PDA), which is typically defined as a pervasive developmental disorder that falls under the autism spectrum. It’s a label that’s frequently used in the United Kingdom, and it’s often defined as a complicated and misunderstood condition wherein some people have a heightened anxiety response to demands being placed on them. PDA isn’t universally recognized as a diagnosis, and it’s also a label rooted in controversy. To talk with us about all of this is friend of the podcast Dr. Melissa Neff, a licensed clinical psychologist who specializes in the assessment of ADHD, depression, anxiety, trauma, nonverbal learning disorder, and autism spectrum disorders, about the diagnostic process. Melissa Neff, Ph.D. is a clinical psychologist in private practice in Missoula, MT. She conducts psychological evaluations for children and adults. She specializes in the assessment of giftedness, ADHD, depression, anxiety, trauma, nonverbal learning disorder, and typical and atypical autism spectrum disorders. Things you’ll learn from this episode How pathological demand avoidance (PDA) is defined Whether or not pathological demand avoidance in children is a real thing How PDA is differentiated from ODD What it means that PDA is “within and beyond” ASD What demand avoidance behaviors look like in children and how parents can assess them The connection between school refusal and PDA How to support kids who are struggling with demand avoidant behaviors   Resources mentioned for pathological demand avoidance in children Dr. Melissa Neff Understanding Pathological Demand Avoidance Syndrome in Children: A Guide for Parents, Teachers, and Other Professionalsby Phil Christie, Margaret Duncan, Ruth Fidler, and Zara Healy PDA by PDA’ers: From Anxiety to Avoidance to Masking to Meltdowns Compiled by Sally Cat Pathological Demand Avoidance Syndrome – My Daughter is Not Naughty by Jane Sherwin Can’t Help Won’t: Pathological Demand Avoidance Syndrome (Medium) Support the show Connect with Tilt Parenting Visit Tilt Parenting Take the free 7-Day Challenge Read a chapter of Differently Wired Follow Tilt on Twitter & Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

If you're listening to this podcast, it's probably because a child you love and care for is differently wired.

0:07.0

Are they also struggling in their current educational setting, seen only for what they're doing wrong, while longing for positive relationships with peers and others?

0:15.6

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0:21.0

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0:24.9

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0:30.7

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0:36.3

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0:40.2

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0:43.0

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0:51.0

That's BgGS. Edu. The tagline for PDA is Can't Help Won't. I can't help

1:01.1

it. I won't do it. So if ODD is I won't do it, PDA is I want to do it, but I can't right now. I can't do it right now because the anxiety and the

1:17.9

demand is so intense that I can't have my freedom be impinged by your external demands.

1:25.6

Welcome to Tilt Parenting, a podcast featuring interviews and conversations aimed at inspiring, informing, and supporting

1:36.0

parents raising differently wired kids.

1:38.8

I'm your host Debbie Reiber and I'm back with new episodes of the show.

1:44.0

I spent the past three weeks getting settled into our lovely little neighborhood in Brooklyn.

1:50.0

I've been unpacking, purging, purging some more because we seriously downsized our

1:56.1

living space trying to figure out where the best bagels are figuring out where to

2:00.4

park our bikes finding new running routes So it's been a little chaotic, it's

2:05.1

been a lot, but I am back and I am so ready to hit the ground running. And on a little

2:10.5

side note, I just wanted to share that today, the day this episode comes out,

2:15.1

is Asher's first day at school.

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