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🗓️ 19 August 2025
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0:00.0 | This message comes from Rethinking, a podcast from TED. On Rethinking, organizational psychologist |
0:05.7 | Adam Grant talks to today's greatest minds about the ideas you might take for granted and what |
0:11.3 | assumptions you should reconsider. Find Rethinking wherever you listen. You're listening to Shortwave |
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0:27.9 | Imagine you're a toxic toad, hanging around South America when you finally get your big break. |
0:29.9 | You and your family are going abroad. |
0:32.3 | To Japan, as pest control. |
0:34.6 | No other animals are going to mess with you, right? |
0:36.3 | After all, you're toxic. |
0:38.2 | If anyone tries to eat you, |
0:43.6 | they'll be exposed to something called a cardiotonic steroid, and they may die of a heart attack. |
0:50.5 | And when they're ingested and they reach the bloodstream, and from the bloodstream, they reach cells, they bind to and disable one particular protein, and this |
0:56.2 | protein is the sodium potassium pump. It plays a role in almost every single physiological system. |
1:05.0 | Blood pressure, regulation, cardiac contractility, brain function. |
1:11.1 | Evolutionary biologist Shabna Momadi says there are hundreds of different kinds of these toxins. |
1:17.3 | But wait, that bird over there just ate your cousin, and it doesn't seem to be getting sick at all. |
1:23.1 | What the heck is going on? |
1:25.4 | Unfortunately for Toads, some animals have developed adaptations to toxic |
1:29.3 | steroids, and Shabnum, who goes by Shab, has spent our whole career studying how animals can eat |
1:35.3 | foods that are laced with these poisons, without dying. What is their adaptation? How does it work? |
1:41.1 | Humans have used this toxin to their advantage throughout time. The first written |
1:45.5 | evidence goes all the way back to ancient Egypt. There's a papyrus known as the Eber papyrus. |
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