The world is changing rapidly, and I think a lot about what it takes to navigate a world

that is built on the back of internet culture. This plays out powerfully in several arenas,

but maybe nowhere more powerfully than in the way that the manosphere is beginning to redefine

masculinity. Not necessarily for the better. To that end, I brought on Stephen Bonnell, the well-known

streamer and social commentator that the internet calls destiny. We had a fascinating conversation

that started with the tape phenomenon and what that says about modern masculinity and went all

the way to some really raw conversations about sex. If you have kids with you, this may not be the episode that you want to listen together,

but for the adults in the room, I think you were going to find this one really, really interesting.

And speaking of really interesting, head over to Amazon Music or wherever you're listening right now.

And be sure to subscribe to the show to make sure that you don't miss part two of this incredible conversation

when it drops. It is not to be missed. All right, without further ado, I bring you destiny. I'm Tom

Billion and welcome to Impact Theory. Everybody's like in their house, they work in their cubicle,

they go home, they get on Discord, they play a game, they go to sleep, they don't have any partners

and they're miserable, but they don't know why. When you look at Red Pill or you look at them, I assume, don't let me put words in your mouth, but I assume there are parts of it that you're like, okay, these are actually useful ideas. That was my initial reaction. If we don't want to blanket go after what the Red Pill community is chasing, what should we be aiming at? One thing that I don't like about a lot of red pill creators and like the Tate's, I feel this thing, is people will always say things like, I'm luring you in with the cars and the money and the girls, but I'm ultimately trying to sell you self-improvement. I feel like that's a deal with the devil that just doesn't pan out. I don't think that you can capture interest with money.

Talk about money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money, girls, self-improve money, money, money, money, money. Because what's happening is you're fostering an attachment to and a desire for and a drive to acquire all of those material goods. and I don't think at the end of a two or three your process of that, can you just flip a switch and be like,

you know what, Actually, I'm just

looking for like inner peace and self-fulfillment. Like, I think that has to be from the start.

Like, I've never heard of like Buddhist monks that are like, I just need to buy one Ferrari so that I can

realize how much I don't need cars in my life, right? Like, it doesn't work that way. I think you have to be on a journey

from the very start doing the things you're advocating for, doing the things that you think ultimately are going to resemble what your end product is. You can't do this bait and switch and pretend that everybody's going to get it. Like, my guess would be if you could find ways to pull people or stick a probe in somebody's brand and measure it, the people that follow these Red pill guys are probably some of the most materially driven people in the world, which is both ironic

and sad because I think the red pill and the ministry stuff to some extent is like a response

to kind of like the empty liberal wasteland of I need possessions and objects to be my hyper

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