You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life.

So one day I'll be helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature,

and the next looking at how a podcast connects with its audience.

And maybe that's you.

So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds.

Music So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds. The court was packed.

We had television crews from all over.

It's such an important judgment in the making.

And the three judges walk in.

That was our last chance.

It's now and ever. This is Lives Less Ordinary,

an original podcast from the BBC World Service. It's a place for remarkable stories from

around the world. Our guests share the most intimate and sometimes the most difficult moments of their lives with you.

I'm Mubinazar.

Now we realize.

Now we're in the realm of big things.

We were now going to take on the gold mining industry.

No. a gold mining industry. We often use words like tenacious or determined when we talk about high achievers. But what really hits me when I speak to

Charles Abraham's is that at so many points in his life, his idea of what he could do had so little

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