You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life.

So one day I'll be helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature,

and the next looking at how a podcast connects with its audience.

And maybe that's you.

So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds.

Music So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds. There I was, and this man speaking of what a gutter education was meant to be,

for the black child not to have any higher aspirations, but to know its place in society.

That anger that rose inside of me.

And it happened at the time when South Africa was on fire.

It was as if the flames were beckoning me.

This is Lives Less Ordinary,

an original podcast from the BBC World Service.

Every episode will bring you a truly extraordinary story,

someone willing to share some of the most intimate

and defining moments of their life with you.

We'll meet people from across the world who by accident or design have found themselves

in incredible situations, those who have refused to accept the status quo and sometimes

have changed not just their own lives, but the world around them.

I'm Mabinazar.

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