Lemonada. This is Sarah Stewart Holland. This is Beth Silvers. You're listening to Pantsuit

Politics. We are currently on a short two-week summer break, but are delighted to still be bringing

you new conversations during this time.

Today, we're going to share my conversation with author Sarah Kea Lahani Gu about Hawaii,

which means we talk about a lot of things.

We talk about tourism.

We talk about the local Hawaiian population. We talk about climate change, and I'm really, really excited to share this conversation.

Sarah is a journalist and senior news executive who's led several news organizations, including Axios, NPR, and the Washington Post, and she's the author of Kuliana, a story of family, land, and legacy

in Old Hawaii. So up next, Sarah and Sarah.

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