I'm Ryan Lambert from Elite Prospect.

I am Sean Mackinue from The Athletic and

yeah well what happens often to me when it comes to hockey news of any kind is I think about like first I'm like okay how am I going to talk about this on the podcast

Mm-hmm and going to talk about this on the podcast. And, well, I guess it was Thursday night into Friday

last weekend or whatever.

I saw the rumors. I stayed up to like three in the morning hoping to get confirmation or denial one way or the

other fell asleep., woke up.

I don't even know what to say.

Yep.

Like five days later or whatever.

I don't know.

Yeah, similar situation here, obviously referring to the Johnny and Matthew Gudrow,

tragedy, had kind of initially seen, not even the rumors themselves but seeing people reacting to the fact

that those rumors were out there and sort of, I guess initially thought, well, this is, this will be one of those things that turns out to just be a dumb little social media rumor.

And I think once a little bit of time elapsed

and none of the insiders were popping up, that's when you started to really

get the sinking feeling.

Confirmed Friday morning by the blue jackets and then you know almost I mean as

big a gut punch as that was it almost just got worse as you got more details and you know

know the fact that it was the sister's wedding and all of this other stuff.

Man, I don't I mean I don't I don't know that what we can really even say about something like this.

I mean I know it's the biggest story of the of the moment and maybe the whole summer in the

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