Hey, I'm Michael Onger, and you're listening to the On the Media Midweek podcast.

We have something a little bit different for you today.

It's a segment from Tuesday's episode of the Brian Lera show, the legendary live call-in show

that airs every weekday morning on our producing station, WNYC.

This segment features an interview with the authors of a book that is fascinating,

but doesn't quite fit the mandate to be on OTM because it doesn't have a clear media angle.

The co-authors are guests whose names you'll recognize from past OTM episodes,

and it's fun to hear them in a live format with callers.

I'll let Brian take it from here.

It's the Brian Laird Show on WNYC. Good morning again, everyone. You might call what we're

about to hear, tough love for liberalism from two people who care about it.

Journalists Ezra Klein from the New York Times and Derek Thompson from the Atlantic have co-authored

a new book called Abundance.

Derek and Ezra suggests that Donald Trump won the election last year, not because of his vision

for America, but because of the failures of present-day liberalism.

They say those failures have produced some political ironies.

Red states are actually producing more clean energy than blue states.

Big blue cities have the worst housing shortages.

They call some of this the problem with everything bagel liberalism.

Not that they're fans of Republicans.

They say both parties have embraced a wrong-headed politics based on the idea of scarcity.

Hence the title of the book, Abundance.

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