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Brian Kilmeade Show

"Total Capitulation": How Operation Epic Fury is Forcing Iran to Surrender

Brian Kilmeade Show

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4.12K Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2026

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Brian Kilmeade is joined by Rebeccah Heinrichs, Senior Fellow at the Hudson Institute, to analyze the strategic dismantling of the Iranian regime. As President Trump’s naval blockade takes hold, Heinrichs explains how the U.S. has successfully "judo-flipped" the power dynamic in the Strait of Hormuz—turning Iran’s greatest leverage into its biggest weakness. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

What does Rebecca Heinrichs think?

0:01.3

Let's ask her.

0:02.0

Hey, Rebecca, great to see you.

0:03.0

Hey, good to be here.

0:04.0

All right, so your thoughts about the president's optimism? So this is really common for President Trump. When he's negotiating, he almost kind of tries to will things in the direction he wants it to go. His public comments are part of the negotiation. His public comments are always part of the negotiation. So I think that he's trying to demonstrate, I'm pushing it in this in the right direction, I want some momentum in this direction. And the president really has on the ground sort of concretely the advantage. He's got military forces in the region. He hasn't taken a single troop out of the region. We're actually surging. 6,000 more. More. We've got more. and these are forces that have specializations for in case we do some kind of raid inside

0:41.0

the country.

0:42.2

So incredible naval blockade that are still still in place, very successful.

0:46.7

So the president has, you know, a lot of advantage here.

0:49.7

He's just trying to squeeze the Iranians to get them where he wants them.

0:52.7

So Jack Keene thinks they have, we should go for absolutely everything that the Iranians have

0:58.6

no cards. Here's what he just told me on Fox and Friends. Cut eight.

1:05.1

These are less about negotiations in my mind. I know why we want to use that term,

1:09.7

but it's more about putting our terms on the

1:12.1

table and you take it or leave it. And that is the attitude we should have in dealing with these people.

1:18.4

There's no face-saving here. We're asking them to do to surrender everything that we want without

1:24.7

signing a surrender document. That's the face-saving aspect of this. They give us everything that we want, signing a surrender document. That's the face saving aspect of this.

1:28.8

They give us everything that we want, and we've listed all of those.

1:33.4

Are you as optimistic and as definitive as the general?

1:37.5

Yeah. No, I think that the general is right that essentially we're giving the Iranians an ultimatum.

1:42.8

You can do it the hard way or the harder way.

1:45.2

You can either give us this opportunity to remove the nuclear material, get some international,

1:50.8

you know, operation in there to remove it and stand by and let us do that safely, or we're going

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