You are listening to the Roberta Glass True Crime Report, putting the true back in true crime.

From New York City, Roberta Glass is now on the record.

Tori Christman joined the Church of Scientology in 1969 and escaped out in 2000.

She is one of Scientology's most beloved and outspoken critics, and she has her own YouTube channel where she exposes the church's doctrine and abuses called Tori Magoo 44.

She has made, at the time of this recording, 943 videos that have earned her 4.6 million views.

Welcome, Tori Christmas.

Sure.

So what is Scientology?

How would you define it? It's supposedly a religion.

I would say it is a mind control, soul-sucking, fraudulent business pretending to be a religion.

That's very close to what Mark Hebner said. And how is Scientology different than, say, Christianity or Catholicism? Well, I was raised as a Catholic, and as a Catholic,

you have faith, you have belief, and Scientology is now trying to plug in those words and say that they have them.

Like Tommy Davis, I think was the first person who said, you know, you're hurting my faith.

And I immediately went online and said, his faith in what? They don't believe in God.

I mean, they do have God. Hubbard had eight dynamics that you survive on. The first one is

yourself, second one is your family, you know, on up. And the eighth one is a higher power,

whatever you believe that to be. That's the only mention of God, period. I know Hubbard was

very interested in Crowley.

I mean, couldn't that be Satan?

Yeah, I guess.

I mean, you know, it's like whatever you believe that to be.

But my point is for a Christian, they're thinking of God, for religion, they believe in

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