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I'm Sean Fantasy and this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about cult

or cults or cult movies. We have a double shot of Toronto film culture today.

First, our pal and ringer contributor Adam Naiman will join to discuss the

elusive nature of cult movies. What makes one qualify? Why and when does a movie officially

earn cult status? We'll use one of our favorite movies of recent memory, the ominous,

surprising and altogether impressive 2020 release, The Empty Man, as a launch point for our

discussion before sharing our favorite cult movies of all time. Later in the show, I'll be joined

by another Tarantonian MS-selegman, the writer-director of a movie I could see picking up a cult of its own,

the terrifically entertaining and terrifying first feature, Shiva Baby.

Emma and I talked about how she made the movie, the anxiety cinema that inspired her,

and what to do next after you've been dubbed a Wonder Kinned filmmaker. But first, let's talk to Adam

Naiman about cult. Good science by definition allows for more than one opinion. Which is why

our gathering of data so far reached. Otherwise, you merely have the will of one man, which is the

basis of cult. Adam Naiman, how are you? Thanks for coming back on the show.

I'm well. How are you, Sean? I'm hanging in there. Adam, we're talking about cults, cult movies,

and where they come from and what they really mean to us today. And, you know, I wanted to talk

about bad trip on the show, and I couldn't figure out who to talk to about it. And then I noticed

that you were a fan of bad trip. Now, I don't know if bad trip is going to qualify as a cult movie,

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