Top AI scientists spar over AGI 12/23/25
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🗓️ 23 December 2025
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| 0:00.0 | Two of the world's top AI scientists now in this heated public debate over the state of the technology, |
| 0:09.4 | disagreeing on whether it can ever be as smart as humans or if we need a new type of AI entirely. |
| 0:15.8 | Our dear Dubosa is digging into that in today's tech check. Morning, Dee. |
| 0:19.7 | Hey, good morning, Carl. So at its core, this debate is really about whether the current AI build-out |
| 0:24.6 | actually pays off. Yanlekan is one of the most influential and one of the most controversial minds in AI, |
| 0:30.6 | a pioneer of modern neural networks, touring award winner, and until recently, Meta's chief AI scientist. |
| 0:36.6 | Now, he's been openly pushing back against the dominant narrative in AI that bigger models |
| 0:42.5 | and more data lead to general intelligence. |
| 0:45.8 | His comments in a recent interview have poured gas on a debate that has been quietly brewing |
| 0:50.2 | for months. |
| 0:53.1 | There is no such thing as general intelligence. |
| 0:57.0 | This concept makes absolutely no sense. |
| 1:01.0 | Human intelligence is super specialized. |
| 1:03.0 | This concept of general intelligence is complete BS. |
| 1:07.0 | Now he's calling into question the entire assumption behind the industry's KAPX bet, |
| 1:11.9 | trillions of dollars being spent on chips, data centers, power, all on the idea that |
| 1:17.4 | scale eventually unlocks general intelligence, which unlocks a surge in economic |
| 1:22.1 | output. |
| 1:23.1 | Instead, he's developing world models, which requires a whole different approach, less about |
| 1:27.2 | raw scale, more about raw scale, |
| 1:27.9 | more about teaching machines, how the world actually works. Now, enter Demas Hussabas, |
| 1:32.9 | founder of Deep Mind, noble winning scientist running AI at Google, publicly pushing back saying, |
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