TOP 5 of 2022 Countdown: #3 EP 71 — Gender: The American State of Affairs with Jesse Singal
Gender: A Wider Lens
Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley
4.6 • 961 Ratings
🗓️ 13 January 2023
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
This episode is being rereleased as part of our Top 5 Episodes of 2022 Countdown!
Jesse Singal was instrumental in shining a light on the defamation of Dr. Ken Zucker in 2016. Then, two years later, he became even more widely known in the gender world for his seminal, long-form piece in the Atlantic, “When a Child Says She’s Trans.” In this conversation, we discuss flaws in the science of gender dysphoria treatment and the misrepresentation of research findings in the media. We also look at the recent pronouncements from the Biden Administration, new state legislation, and Health and Human Services proposals. We discuss how all of this impacts our understanding of complex issues and shapes the American political landscape around gender today.
Links:
- Jesse’s Recent book: The Quick Fix: Why Fad Psychology Can’t Cure our Social Ills https://amzn.to/3yIVwpn
- Researchers Found Puberty Blockers And Hormones Didn’t Improve Trans Kids’ Mental Health At Their Clinic. Then They Published A Study Claiming The Opposite. (Updated) https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/researchers-found-puberty-blockers?s=r
- What the Media Gets Wrong on Gender Reassignment:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/media-wrong-gender-reassignment-transgender/
- Civil rights discrimination providers - gender affirming care:
https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/hhs-ocr-notice-and-guidance-gender-affirming-care.pdf
- The Cut
https://www.thecut.com/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html
https://www.thecut.com/2016/01/false-charge-helped-bring-down-kenneth-zucker.html
- When a Child Says She’s Trans:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/07/when-a-child-says-shes-trans/561749/
Extended Notes
- Jesse explains how he became involved in publishing transgender articles.
- Journalism allows Jesse to follow a subject to the core of an issue.
- Before Jesse became known for his Atlantic piece, he was already interested in psychology fads.
- Stella enjoys self-help books.
- In his new book, The Quick Fix, Jesse argues that Americans turn to fad psychology because the real problems are too big to be solved.
- Researchers have been known to give credence to work that does not warrant it.
- Bad journalism abounds and Jesse often follows up bad stories with the facts.
- Stella states that maybe the Dutch study should be more thoroughly examined by Jesse.
- Writing and publishing articles on gender is complicated.
- Jesse says Republicans are taking the gender issue to the state level.
- Politicians have no idea of what the real science around the issue is. Sasha asks Jesse if he believes this to be a medical...
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| 0:00.0 | The countdown continues. We're at episode number three. Number three top downloaded episode of 2022. |
| 0:09.0 | Yeah, and I thought this was fascinating. This is episode 71, Gender, the American State of Affairs with |
| 0:16.4 | Drum roll, Jesse Single. Yes. And this was a really, really interesting conversation. |
| 0:21.8 | I had been dying to speak to Jesse Single forever and then when |
| 0:25.2 | we finally got to speak to him I thought oh my God I want to speak to him more and I would like to debate him. I would like to go in a lot more there so we might be calling him back if I have my way. |
| 0:37.0 | And we did a little bit so the audience can kind of hear us engage on some topics where maybe we have a different perspective from |
| 0:45.3 | Jesse. |
| 0:46.3 | So enjoy number three of the year. |
| 0:50.3 | You're listening to gender, a wider lens. |
| 0:52.6 | I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland. |
| 0:55.3 | And I'm Sasha Ayad, an adolescent therapist in the United States. |
| 0:59.2 | Since 2016, my practice has been exclusively dedicated to gender questioning teens and families impacted by gender dysphoria. |
| 1:07.8 | I also work with gender questioning teenagers and I facilitated support meetings for families and individuals who have been impacted by gender issues. |
| 1:15.6 | We're curious about the concept of gender and how it's unfolding in the wider culture. |
| 1:20.4 | Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens. |
| 1:25.0 | Hi Sasha. |
| 1:27.0 | Hi Stella, how are you today? |
| 1:30.0 | Very good. We've got a very exciting guest. |
| 1:32.0 | Yes. Yeah. I first heard about Jesse Single I think I read an article about Ken Zucker. This is way way way back and I was like wow this is this is serious journalism coming from |
| 1:46.8 | America when I had been told I was over in Ireland been told that really there was |
| 1:51.1 | nothing coming out of America that was was decent or |
| 1:54.1 | truthful at the time that's what I was being told I was in a very much working in |
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