Hello everyone. Welcome to Tooth and Claw podcast. We have our bear biologist,

Wes Larson, with us. And he's not going to talk much because this episode's not exclusively for subscribers, so he doesn't care.

But me and Mike care about all you other people, so...

I got in trouble last week.

I'm Wes's brother, Jeff, and then we have Mike. What's up? Wes, what did you get in trouble for?

Well, so I was doing this story of the Whaleship Essex, and when I first thought of it, I thought, oh, this would be a two-parter.

And I kind of thought, I just want to end when they get rescued.

And then as I was reading the book, I was like, oh, there's still like some interesting stuff after they get rescued.

Kind of felt like an epilogue to me. And so I was like,

you know what? I'm just going to do like an epilogue episode for our subscribers and call it part three. And, you know, I think rightfully so, a lot of our nonpaid listeners got a little upset about that and thought that I was cheating them out of a part three.

And I think part of that was my fault for not explaining it well enough and kind of saying like, hey, this is how I always had this designed.

Was it two-parter that ended at this point?

And this was just extra content for our

subscribers to kind of give them a special treat. But I did a bad job explaining it, and I

don't blame them for being a little upset because I didn't want to do like a rugpole on anyone.

I love our non-paid listeners a lot. It's like if he does, he can't stop talking about me.

Call her daddy had Jesse on to talk about her divorce and then made you subscribe to listen to her talk about Taylor Frankie Paul's Bachelor getting suspended.

Sure.

Who?

I think that's exactly what it's like.

Actually, let's not a get into it.

I don't really.

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