Toomas Ilves on the Situation
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 18 April 2018
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
Former Estonian President Toomas Ilves sits down with Benjamin Wittes and Megan Reiss to talk about the use of social media by the presidents of the United States and Estonia, election interference, cybersecurity cooperation, and the digitization of Estonia.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:33.6 | You have three big actors that are involved in meddling in elections, meddling in democratic |
| 0:40.0 | institutions yet the response is strictly national. |
| 0:43.8 | So what we need is to dramatically increase the amount of cooperation and NATO is a pre-digital |
| 0:49.1 | era of security organization. |
| 0:51.8 | Distance has become irrelevant. |
| 0:52.8 | You can attack countries around the world instantaneously and regardless of distance. |
| 0:59.4 | NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization because it's based on fighter plane range, |
| 1:04.7 | bomber range, but it doesn't matter anymore. |
| 1:07.1 | Distance in this kind of war has lost its importance. |
| 1:10.8 | So there's no reason why Japan, South Korea, New Zealand, Australia shouldn't be involved |
| 1:17.2 | in an alliance that would share information about these kinds of things. |
| 1:21.5 | But I think that it's more democracies come under threat. |
| 1:25.2 | This is maybe a way to go. |
| 1:26.6 | I'm Benjamin Wittes and this is the LawFair podcast April 17, 2018. |
| 1:33.3 | Tomas Ilvis was president of Estonia from 2006 to 2016. |
| 1:40.4 | He is the only head of state who has ever been a guest on the LawFair podcast and he's |
| 1:47.0 | back. |
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