Too Much Immunity? P'ng Loke Explores the Benefit of Helminth Infection for Our Immune System
Finding Genius Podcast
Richard Jacobs
4.4 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 17 July 2020
⏱️ 39 minutes
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Summary
Researcher P'ng Loke investigates how our microbiome and immune system interacts with parasitic worm infections.
He relays key points in his research, including
- The decision one man made 15 years ago to voluntarily infect himself with worms and the results that fascinated Loke,
- The role the "hygiene hypothesis " plays in the direction of his research, and
- The findings thus far of helminth impacts on our immune system.
P'ng Loke is a senior investigator at the NIH and Chief of the Type 2 Immunity Section of the NIH's Laboratory of Parasitic Diseases. He explains to listeners that parasitic worms are really good at manipulating their hosts' immune response, particularly in how they affect a type of immune cell called the macrophage.
In fact, they are able to remain in hosts for years if not decades undetected. This has huge potential in multiple therapeutic avenues, from organ transplants to overactive immune responses such as inflammatory and other bowel diseases.
Loke explains the beginnings of his studies, including a fascinating case of a man suffering from IBD who infected himself with whipworms on purpose after reading some studies and found his disease went in remission. Loke then describes various reasons for this as well as how our efforts toward modern sanitation may have altered our immune system in some ways.
He explains that parasitic worms, like helminths, have figured out how to mask themselves from hosts' immune responses, making them akin to a successful organ transplant. If scientists can understand how they are manipulating the immune response to downregulate or suppress its immunity, they may uncover many therapeutic treatments.
He adds that most scientists think it is a spillover response—and the ways they affect the type 2 immune cells such as a type of macrophage cell—can lead to a protective barrier of mucus that prohibits bowel inflammation and disease in some cases. He explains this and other theories in more depth, so listen in.
For more, see his lab's website: niaid.nih.gov/research/png-loke-phd
Available on Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2Os0myK
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| 0:41.0 | I have a Pungloch, very interesting guy, even at first glance because he has an |
| 0:47.3 | apostrophe in his name, which I think is pretty cool. He's a senior investigator at |
| 0:52.4 | NIH National Institutes of Health, |
| 0:54.5 | and we're going to talk about how the microbiome is affected, |
| 1:00.0 | how macrophages respond to, I guess guess worm infections, helmet infections. |
| 1:05.0 | So, Bunk, thanks for coming. |
| 1:07.0 | No problem. |
| 1:08.0 | Yeah, if you would, tell me about your work in your own words, |
| 1:12.0 | I'm sure you could describe it better than I could. |
| 1:14.0 | Yeah, so I've been interested in how we respond to |
| 1:20.0 | worm infections for a really long time. |
| 1:24.3 | So worms are these parasitic worms |
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