Welcome to this week's episode of The Trump Trials, our Bulworth Podcast that is tracking the forefront war

that Donald Trump is having to wage in various courts around the country the rule of law

trying to hold him accountable.

A lot to talk about this week.

Joining once again by our good friend Ben Wittis from lawfare.

Morning, Ben.

Hey, good morning.

Shall we start with the so-called proffer tapes?

I want to talk about cameras in the courtroom

and argue about that and all this stuff and the gag orders,

but could we just start with Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell?

Let's start with the Proffer case.

Okay.

In case you haven't been paying any attention, which I assume most of our listeners have been

paying attention, ABC News obtained portions of these Proffer sessions with Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell now correct me if I'm wrong any

anytime here okay man but proffer sessions are basically interviews with the

prosecutors that typically part of a plea deal you get to to come in and say what you would testify to.

You can't be held accountable for it, right? Then they decide whether or not they're

going to make a deal with you or not. So in these sessions the defendants disclose what they want to share with the government and in the portion with Jenna Ellis she explains that Trump White House official Dan Scavino, who is his social media guru, told her in late December

2020, the boss would not leave the White House, but listen to the way she describes it.

The conversation was around December 19th of 2020 at the White House Christmas Party.

And I emphasized him, I thought that the claims and the ability to challenge the election results was

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