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Tony Schwartz

Radio Atlantic

The Atlantic

Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.41.9K Ratings

🗓️ 23 October 2020

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

The man who wrote The Art of the Deal reflects on Donald Trump, his presidency, and what the coming weeks could bring. Schwartz says Trump’s “primary motivation is dominance” and “there is nothing Trump fears more than failure.” And with the election little more than a week away, Schwartz thinks Trump believes he’s going to lose, “probably even more than he did four years ago.” Support this show and all of The Atlantic’s journalism by becoming a subscriber at theatlantic.com/supportus Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the ticket. I'm Isaac Dauver. Well the last debate is over and a little

0:18.0

over a week will tally the votes and whether he wins or loses will define

0:21.9

Donald Trump's story.

0:23.9

So I want to go back to the beginning and see if I could get some perspective on the man

0:27.9

who's been president these past four years.

0:30.1

And that

0:35.0

the art of the deal created the deal-maker-business' story,

0:36.0

or at least the origin story he wanted told.

0:39.0

The art of the deal created the dealmaker businessman persona

0:42.0

that Trump rode into reality television and then into the White House.

0:47.0

And my guest this week is the man who wrote it. Tony Schwartz.

0:51.0

Schwartz has done a lot of soul searching since writing since writing the art of the deal and as a memoir dealing with the devil that explores how and why he got into business with Trump.

0:59.0

We talked about what he knows about the president now, when he knew about him then, and what he makes of the character he created.

1:06.2

Take a listen.

1:06.7

Tony Schwartz, thanks for being here with us on the ticket.

1:15.0

Thank you.

1:17.0

So let's go back in time here a little bit.

1:19.8

Tell us the story of how you came to write the art of the deal?

1:23.0

Yeah, it's becoming an origin story now and those stories I always feel like maybe they're

1:29.6

not true when other people don't determine. But this one is his best I remember,

1:34.4

it is that I was a staff writer at New York magazine

1:37.7

in 1985 and I heard about this building

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