I've known Tony Fidel for a few years now, but I'll admit it. The first time I met him, I was pretty

intimidated. I mean, the guy invented the freaking iPod and was part of the team that created the

iPhone. In no uncertain terms, Tony's a giant. But I quickly

learned that I had nothing to worry about. He's as humble and as approachable as he is

brilliant and successful. He's also a diehard watch collector whose background in design, engineering, and business give him this really unique and thoughtful perspective on watches.

And that goes from the tiniest individual details all the way up to the macro ebbs and flows of the industry at large.

Talking for an hour with Tony and our editor-in-chief Jack Forrester is about the best

horological masterclass I could ask for. I'm your host Stephen Polverin and this is Hodincky Radio.

This week's episode is brought to you by Tudor.

Stay tuned later in the show for a look at the Black Bay Bronze, a dive watch inspired by True

Naval Engineering. You can also learn more atorwatch.com. Cool, thanks so much for joining us, Tony. It's good to have you here.

Guys, Jack, Stephen, it's always good to see you.

Yeah, it was good to see you too.

I thought you'd kick things off actually by telling the story of the first time you and I met,

which was at a Nest press conference back,

guess it would have been like 2015 maybe. You had already done your episode of Talking

Watches. I knew you were a watch guy but I was

actually not at Hodinke at the time. I was at Bloomberg. I remember. And I was

reporting on Ness. I was doing personal tech coverage at the time and I

noticed when you were on stage that you were wearing a 5980 on your wrist.

And I kind of made a little note and went and covered the press conference, did some video stuff with our team,

and ended up coming in late to the interview that the other Bloomberg reporter had and I kind of like snuck in and was like, oh shit, I'm late.

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