Hi, this is Dana Stevens, Slate's movie critic here with the Slate Spoiler Special podcast on Tomorrowland, the new Disney movie from the director, Brad Bird.

And joining me in the Slate studio is Forrest Wittman. Hey, Forrest. Hey, Dana. You are a Slate senior editor and writer and a Brad Bird fan, I gather.

Oh, for sure. Who isn't really? Well, I guess we'll get into it. He's accruing detractors, I think.

I'm trying to write about him right now and finding him like enormously talented and

enormously challenging.

And I think that you like this movie better than I did.

But we will see.

We'll get into it.

And before we get started, you should know if it isn't obvious from the title of this

podcast that this is all about spoilage. We're going to get into everything that happens in the movie. Who lives, who dies, what blows up, what doesn't.

So if you don't want to know any of that stuff, wait and listen after you've seen Tomorrowland.

All right, so Tomorrowland, just to set it up, is Brad Bird's second live action film after Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol.

Probably the best Mission Impossible movie.

So Bradbird basically has been on a role, his entire career, right?

He hasn't made many movies, but he's worked as an animator with Pixar, with Disney, with The

Simpsons, with King of the Hill, lots of shows.

And every animated movie he's made essentially has become a classic, right?

Ratatouille, The Incredibles, and the Iron Giant.

And so here he is moving into, it's not animation, but it's a Disney movie that is, how would you describe it?

I sort of feel like it's a Disney movie that is also all about Disney.

It's almost a deconstruction of the spirit of Disney, and it's a very interesting project for him to take on.

To me, it was a failed project, but I'm excited to talk to you about it and the stuff that

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