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Life and Art from FT Weekend

‘Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow’ author Gabrielle Zevin

Life and Art from FT Weekend

Forhecz Topher

Tv & Film, Arts, Society & Culture

4.6601 Ratings

🗓️ 3 February 2023

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

This week, we’re joined by Gabrielle Zevin, author of the novel ‘Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow’. One of last year's bestsellers, it traces the lives of two friends, Sam and Sadie, who meet as kids and become world famous video game creators. Gabrielle tells Lilah why she focused on games, and how video games from Pac-Man to Mario influenced a generation of people. Then, we learn about a Rolex watch ‘grey market’ with Jeff Maysh. Try to buy a Rolex – you're unlikely to find one on the shelves. Jeff found out why that’s the case (crypto has something to do with it).


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Links and mentions from the episode: 

– Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, by Gabrielle Zevin, is available now in paperback. 

– The FT review of Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow: https://on.ft.com/3JYGtvv  

– Jeff’s piece on the Rolex grey market in the FT: https://on.ft.com/3hQggFW 

– Jeff’s piece on the 30 million dollar lottery scam https://t.co/IyDQnNxStZ (The Atlantic) and on Donald Trump and the Sweepstakes scammers https://t.co/TTfyJnAd2I (New Yorker)

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Original music by Metaphor Music. Mixing and sound design by Breen Turner and Sam Giovinco. 


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0:00.0

Hi, listeners, Lila here. I am jumping on before we start one last time to remind you to please take our survey. We do this very rarely, and I'm dying to know what you think of our show. This feedback really helps us make a better show. It means a lot to us. Also, if you fill it out, you could win a pair of Bose headphones. It's the quiet comfort earbuds. They're really nice. The survey is at

0:21.3

Ft.com slash weekend survey. That link is in the show notes. And thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

0:26.9

Thank you. Thank you. There's a book I recently loved called Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow by

0:33.7

Gabrielle Zeven. It's the story about two friends, a boy named Sam and a girl named Sadie,

0:39.5

who meet his kids and bond over playing video games.

0:43.3

When they get older, they reconnect and they build a whole video game empire together.

0:49.1

And in turn, we as readers end up going on a 30-year journey with them.

0:54.0

Here's how Gabrielle describes it.

0:55.9

It's about these two people who make video games together and they're the most important people

1:01.3

in each other's lives, but they are not married and they don't have children. All they do is make

1:06.8

their art. And it's about, I think, figuring out exactly what that relationship is, you know,

1:13.8

and it is also about video games. And the last, I think, 30 years of video game history,

1:21.6

becoming a sort of shadow history for the last 30 years of just living in America as an artist and a person.

1:29.5

Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow came out last year, and it was an instant bestseller.

1:34.5

First, my friends in publishing started telling me about it, and then my friends outside of

1:38.4

publishing started telling me about it. And I get why everyone loves it.

1:42.9

It's written for a generation that has always played video games that remembers Pac-Man

1:47.7

and Donkey Kong and Mind Sweeper.

1:50.7

I personally had never considered myself a gamer, but when I started reading this book,

1:55.9

I realized that actually maybe I was.

2:00.3

I got these flashbacks of being a kid in a computer lab, playing Oregon Trail, this game

2:06.1

where you're trying to settle the American West and not die of dysentery.

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