Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic || Why So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders

The Psychology Podcast

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4.4 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 23 May 2019

⏱️ 46 minutes

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“There is a surplus of charismatic leaders with a fascinating dark side.” — Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic Today it’s great to have Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic on the podcast. Tomas is the Chief Talent Scientist at ManpowerGroup, a professor of business psychology at University College London and at Columbia University, and an associate at Harvard’s Entrepreneurial Finance Lab. He’s the author of Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (And How to Fix It) as well as 9 other books, and over 160 scientific publications. He is the co-founder of DeeperSignals and Metaprofiling and a regular contributor to HBR, FastCompany, and BusinessInsider. You can find him on Twitter @drtcp or at www.drtomas.com. Limitations of the “lean in” approach Tomas’s alternative explanation for the existence of gender differences in leadership How people focus more on confidence than competence How we emphasize charisma more than humility How we are more likely to select narcissistic individuals for leadership positions than people with integrity Gender differences in narcissism Is masculinity necessarily toxic? Why we waste so much money on unconscious bias training How do we get more women in leadership roles? The better way to select talented people in the workplace than using gender quotas Do nice guys finish last? --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-psychology-podcast/support

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Psychology Podcast, where we give you insights into the mind, brain, behavior, and creativity.
0:13.0	I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman,
0:15.0	and in each episode I have a conversation with a guest
0:18.0	who will stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding of yourself,
0:21.0	others, and the world we live in.
0:23.0	Hopefully we'll also provide a glimpse into human possibility.
0:27.0	Thanks for listening and on the podcast.
0:38.4	Thomas is the chief talent scientist at Manpower Group, a professor of business psychology at University College London and at Columbia University, and an associate at Harvard's entrepreneurial finance lab.
0:52.0	He's the author of Why Do so many incompetent men become leaders and how to fix it as well as nine other books and over 160 scientific publications.
1:01.0	He's the co-founder of deeper signals and meta- profiling and is a regular
1:05.8	contributor to HBR Fast Company and Business Insider. Thomas, so great to chat with you today.
1:11.4	Yeah, likewise. Thank you for having me Scott. Yeah what a interesting topic of a book I didn't see that coming you know I've seen your other books and and then this one came out I was, huh, like why that one?
1:22.7	So maybe you could tell me the genesis of this topic.
1:25.4	You know, I mean, I considered writing one with the title,
1:29.0	why do so many competent men become leaders, but we figure it would sell less.
1:33.2	Now jokes aside the book originated or came out of an article an essay I wrote for HPR in 2013 that was a reaction to Cheryl
1:48.0	Sandberg's lean-in argument. I felt that you know people needed an alternative in the form of a psychological explanation of why so many competent women failed to reach the leadership ranks and in my view the issue was not that they weren't leaning in or emulating man but that
2:07.2	were not very good at judging competence in people in general and we mistake
2:11.7	confidence for competence, you know unfairly and
2:16.1	incorrectly reward those who think very highly of themselves even when
2:20.4	they're not very good and that that is to the detriment of those who have talent,
2:24.8	but maybe more modest, tumble, etc.
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