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teas and sees apply 18 plus. Hello I'm Rosamund Irwin, a journalist at the Sunday Times and welcome to the Intelligence

Squared podcast. You can sign up for regular updates about podcasts and other events at

Intelligence Squared.com. I'm here with Tom Whipple, science editor at the times

and author of X and Y, the Rules of Attraction, why gender still matters. So So Tom do you want to tell me why

this idea inspired you? So I started writing this book back when it seemed

controversial in the dim distant days of 2016 and its premise was that I was looking

at differences between the sexes in how they approach sex. The idea that there's a point where, you know, whatever we can have we can have the arguments about should women be, you know, are they less likely to be

less likely to be computer scientists and men less

less likely to be predisposed to be nurses.

That's not something I was interested in.

I was looking at where I thought biology really met behavior which is in sex and

weirdly it seems to have found it sort of surfed its way onto a zeitgeist purely

purely by chance because a lot of people are talking about sex and a lot of people

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