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Hello and welcome to a special Saturday edition of Coffee House shots. I'm Katie

Wars and I'm joined by Tom Baldwin who has just penned I think the first

significant at least Kiasarma biography. Tom is almost been everywhere already, serialized in the times. There's lots of book

reviews out, most of which are glowing. But I suppose for listeners, I mean we've done a

count in this podcast where we say who is stama what does he stand for

but first how did the book come about because initially it wasn't meant to be a book with

your name on it, is that right?

No, initially I was brought in to help him write an autobiography and I think with some

exceptions, books by politicians, serving politicians are not always great.

They don't have time to do them, do them well.

And Kia in particular, I think, felt uncomfortable

about talking about himself,

doing the big I am, this page after page of him saying how great he is.

He just, in the same way he hasn't always been very good at opening out

as a person and as a politician

he felt doing that in the book form was even more awkward for him.

But that's why he needed a book, because he knows people are asking questions about who he is,

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