I'm a name's Father Mike Schmidt and this is a sensual presence.

So years ago I read a book by a Presbyterian pastor named Timothy Keller.

He has a church down in Manhattan or out in Manhattan, wherever you're from.

It's in Manhattan.

And here's a book.

You've written a number of books that I just, I find very helpful.

One book was on theology of work.

In the intro to this he cites another book.

So here's kind of Keller referencing a book by J. R. R. Tolkien.

Now we probably know this.

You probably know that Tolkien wants to Catholic.

In fact, all of Tolkien's worldview was shaped by his Catholic faith.

Even Lord of the Rings, the trilogy that he had written, he said that Lord of the Rings

is a religious and essentially a Catholic book.

It's phenomenal.

It has so much symbolism and so much like just of, again, how Catholics look at the world

written into this fantasy novel.

One of the things Keller points out about Tolkien is that Tolkien was a perfectionist.

Tolkien was, you know, that creative kind of person who was never done with his work.

I don't know if you've ever been that kind of person where you start a project and it's

like you just keep tweaking it and keep tweaking it and keep tweaking it.

Well in England apparently, that tweaking is called niggling, niggling, N-I-G-G-L-I-N-G-Niggling.

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