Hello, and welcome to Overthink.

The podcast where your two favorite philosophy professors, together investigate the human condition.

I'm Dr. David Pena-Gusman.

And I'm Dr. Ellie Anderson.

David, you and I have been doing the show together for five years now, which is wild to think about. And I want to start this episode on

togetherness by reflecting a little bit on some of our experiences of togetherness doing the show.

We started recording remotely, as many of our listeners probably already know. And for the bulk of

our time together, we have recorded remotely. We had a couple of in-person

recording sessions over the years, but by and large, because you live in San Francisco and I live in

L.A., it's made sense for us to record separately. We've recently changed that, in part because we

wanted to bring together the video stream of our podcast that is mainly living on YouTube and now also on substack with our

audio podcast like our audio podcast is core to who we are but we were like hey we could also

record in person and try it on video and if people want to watch it they can do it definitely that's

like very much a trend in podcasting these days and so I'm not trying to front like that came out of nowhere.

But we thought it might be helpful because otherwise we were recording separate videos for

YouTube and separate videos for our podcast.

So anyway, as many of you already know, we started recording on video this fall.

And that has meant that suddenly, David, we are recording almost all of our

episodes in person. That's a very different kind of togetherness than recording remotely.

Although we are, I should say, recording remotely right now, because as a guest-based episode,

we usually do those still remotely. You're in Madrid right now. What has your experience, Ben, of recording

remotely versus in person? What's the difference in togetherness? Okay, so I think one important

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