Welcome to Mortification of Spin, a casual conversation about things that count with Carl Truman and Todd Pruitt, a podcast of the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals.

Let's join this week's conversation.

Thank you. You are listening to Mortification of Spin.

My name is Todd Pruitt.

I'm the pastor of Covenant Presbyterian Church in Harrisonburg, Virginia.

And I'm joined as always by my friend and co-host Carl Truman, who teaches at Grove City College in Western Pennsylvania.

Carl, good to see you.

Good to see you, too, Todd.

Now, we're here via Zoom. and so I'm looking at you.

And it's interesting.

I just, I want our listeners to picture this.

Carl, you're wearing a black turtleneck, which completely is absorbed into the background of what I'm looking at.

So it looks like I'm talking to a disembodied head right now. Disembodied floating head, yes. In fact, I don't exist. I'm merely a computer generated

thing. Well, I was wondering, you know, you talked before about the fact that, you know,

once you die, you're going to have your head cryogenically frozen, and I thought maybe

we've already reached that, keep you in a jar somewhere.

We're getting there. We're getting there. Hey, I was thinking, you know, we've been doing this

for over a decade now, easily. We must be the longest, one of the longest standing

podcast partnerships in history. We Hall and Oats are.

We are the Hall and Oats.

And, you know, Carl, I know you're being self-deprecating because I'm sure you're

comparing yourself to oats.

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