Whatever your area is, whether you're studying suicidality, whether you're studying for

ketamine as a treatment for PTSD, or whether you're talking about how to help civilian,

veterans, reenter societies, start taking some risks and figure out some better ways to reduce

the problems that are happening.

Well, and welcome to the Psychology Podcast. In this episode, I talk to a esteemed psychologist

Todd Cashton about the art of insubordination. As creatures of habit,

humans seek familiarity in thoughts, behaviors, and interactions. But Todd Cashton argues that

deviating from norms isn't always a bad thing, especially if it's in pursuit of positive change.

To enact a principled dissent effectively, Todd teaches us how to persuade the majority

and how to embrace unconventional solutions. We also touch on the topics of conformity,

intimacy, influence, victimhood, and curiosity. So I now bring you Todd Cashton.

Todd, how you doing, buddy? So good to see you. So good to see you too. Welcome back

in the Psychology Podcast and congrats on your new book. Yeah, thank you. Very nice bookshelf

behind you, by the way. Thank you. Thank you. Likewise, I see the art of insubordination

there behind you. Multiple copies of it. Got a couple of suckers. You feeling very insubordinate

today, Todd? That's my status quo default. So there's nothing for you. You want to say, can

you, can I get you into the formal appropriate mood? That's the better question.

When I hear the term insubordinate, and you're going to set me straight on this, but when I hear

the word, I conjure up an image of like Dennis the Menace or like, like some naughty little boy,

you know, that like goes to detention, you know? Oh, I, you know, what's cool is you ask everyone

about this question. Everyone has a different answer. I mean, the first thing, what I think,

the modern world, the first person that comes to mind is Alexei Nalvanay. Okay. But then again,

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