Hi, everyone, Craig Melvin here from the today's show.

I'm excited to share a special preview of my new podcast, Glass Half-Four,

where each week I sit down with a fascinating person to talk about the moments that really shape their lives.

You're about to hear a clip from my conversation with television legend Shonda Rimes.

I hope you enjoy it.

So Shonda Rhymes, welcome, welcome.

Thank you again for joining me.

You know, we like to start all of these episodes with a toast.

I always start with the same thing. It's always a little bourbon. What do you have?

I have a very, very pretty overly enhanced drink that I made. That's cute. That's very cute.

I like to do the assignment correctly, so it came with a big drink.

Well done.

First of all, I mean, you've had such an extraordinary career, such an extraordinary life so far.

What are we toasting? What is Shonda Rhymes toasting right now?

You know, I feel like the defining moment in my life was the moment when I decided to say yes to

everything that scared me because I feel like there's a before and and after there. So that

is what we're toasting. Cheers to that. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers to Shonda saying yes. Would you say,

generally speaking, you are a half-glass full kind of lady or, or are you a half-glass-empty kind of lady?

I think that the glass-half-full kind of person. I really am. I feel like I'm more optimistic about things than most people are, and I'm always looking to see sort of what's on the horizon versus worrying about what already happened.

Have you always been that way?

You know what? I've been that way since I had kids, I think. I think it's really easy to be

pessimistic about the world and about life when it's just you, but when you're looking

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