This is London Calling.

London Calling.

But I want to be clear, we need to wait until we have data before we can say this with any

certainty that even if there is some or significant escape from the ability to infect someone

and therefore for them to be infectious it may be that there's still vaccines

in particular when they've had boosters and natural infection boosted by vaccination

may be sufficient to go on and prevent people from going on to having severe

disease and in some cases dying.

Welcome to London calling with me James Davenport and my very good friend

Mr Toby Young.

Toby, this has got a kind of,

it's gonna have a kind of weekend feel this episode,

isn't it?

Maybe you can explain why.

I've got the slippers on, I'm sitting in my shed with two heaters on because the temperature

outside is just about zero but it's probably even colder when you are.

It's so cold.

I tell you what I live on a sort of

must be one of the coldest parts of of middle England

It's just the snow outside and yeah we always one of the problems about living where I do

is that we get frost pocket we're in a frost pocket and so the the time of year when you can start planting your seeds and stuff is really quite late.

So like my tomatoes, I couldn't bring them on until really late and by the time they were ready

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