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To Stop Climate Collapse, We Must End Capitalism

Intelligence Squared

Intelligence Squared

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4.21.2K Ratings

🗓️ 21 February 2020

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Capitalism is driving us to disaster. Our planet is heading for a terrifying environmental cataclysm – and our economic system is responsible. The defining characteristic of capitalism is perpetual economic growth. And while it has brought us wonderful benefits, including improved health, wealth and opportunities to travel and experience the world, ever-increasing production and consumption – inherent in capitalism – are an existential threat to life on our planet. The more we produce and consume, the more energy we need – and renewables can’t keep pace. Unless we abandon capitalism now, we will inevitably continue to drive up the demand for fossil fuels. According to some scientific predictions, human civilisation could completely collapse by 2050 if we don’t take drastic action to stop climate change now. We must end capitalism before it’s too late.  That’s the view of the anti-capitalist eco-warriors. But while it’s undeniable that capitalism has contributed to our current climate crisis, it has also proven to be history’s most effective way of solving our problems. According to capitalism’s defenders, there is almost no challenge capitalism hasn’t met. It has helped defeat disease and has lifted billions out of poverty – and there’s no reason why the dynamism of the marketplace can’t be harnessed to bring our carbon emissions down to zero. For example, until recently solar panels were impossibly expensive; now they are cheap and helping us transition away from fossil fuels. Our system of competitive, open markets gives strong incentives for the world’s brightest minds to find creative solutions to climate change. So don’t listen to the doomsayers who want to rip up our economic system. Capitalism is not the problem; it’s the solution.  This event was recorded in January 2020 at the Royal Geographical Hall in London. CHAIR: Ritula Shah - Journalist and presenter on Classic FM SPEAKERS FOR THE MOTION: George Monbiot - Guardian columnist, environmental campaigner and author of Regenesis: Feeding the World without Devouring the Planet and Farhana Yamin - International environmental lawyer and leading activist in the Extinction Rebellion protests AGAINST THE MOTION: Adair Turner - Chair of the Energy Transitions Commission and Tony Juniper - Sustainability adviser — We’d love to hear your feedback and what you think we should talk about next, who we should have on and what our future debates should be.  Send us an email or voice note with your thoughts to podcasts@intelligencesquared.com or Tweet us @intelligence2.  And if you’d like to support our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations, as well as ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content, early access and much more, become a supporter of Intelligence Squared today. Just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Maybe 30 or 20 years ago a Saudi might have said I'm Muslim and I'm Arab and I'm Saudi

0:06.9

Now they might say I'm Saudi and I'm Arab and I'm Muslim

0:09.9

You know they're trying to radically refashion their country and they need help from the best experts in the world.

0:15.0

Do you want to have your country's people be disqualified from that because of some essentially antiquated point of view about how countries work together.

0:23.4

In recent months it can feel like Saudi Arabia is intent on buying the world.

0:27.8

It's bought up much of golf, sports teams, many of the globe's best soccer players to its

0:32.4

own domestic league, and it owns huge chunks of many of the biggest companies on the planet.

0:37.5

But Saudi Arabia is not just on a shopping spree.

0:40.5

The ones insular oil-rich Kingdom is transforming into a major diplomatic and military

0:46.0

player, a pivotal actor in the energy transition and looks set to post high-end cultural events

0:51.6

like the FIFA World Cup.

0:53.0

You know, they know that buying a football club immediately brings you a

0:57.2

billboard into a global game that allows you to completely reposition

1:01.9

yourself or rebrand yourself.

1:03.4

It feels like we're entering the era of the Saudi project.

1:06.6

But what exactly is the kingdom trying to achieve and will it succeed?

1:10.4

Coming soon from Intelligence Squared, the Saudi Project is a new podcast series seeking to answer some of these questions and more.

1:17.5

Britain does have choices. It's not either-or situation. We either indulge Mohammed bin Salman or boycott of Mohammed

1:26.2

bin Salman. There is a third choice.

1:28.8

Search the Saudi project wherever you get your podcasts.

1:45.5

Is capitalism or economic system driving us towards climate collapse or is it a system which can provide the incentives and the solutions to avert climate catastrophe? That's the theme of this week's debate is we're going back to January 2020.

1:49.2

When we staged the motion to stop climate collapse, we must end capitalism.

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