Book your ticket to happiness with Sun Express Airlines. So, You're going to do. We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jersinski,

culture editor here at the Federalist. As always you can email the show at radio at the Federalist.

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get an ad for your experience, comments with staff. It's a lot of fun, so join us over there. Now I am joined today by Emma Waters. Emma is the Senior Research Associate at the Richard and Helen Devoss Center for Life, Religion, and Family at the Heritage Foundation.

She covers IVF and reproductive technology in general very, very closely closely she is one of the most clarion voices on this

topic and it has been a busy couple of weeks Emma thank you for joining the show

yeah of course, Emily.

Thanks for having me on today.

I was just telling you before we started recording

that I scrolled through your Twitter

for kind of inspiration before we were starting this conversation. And you have been on C-SPAN you have been on EwTN you have been quoted in a bunch of different places ever since the Alabama IVF ruling was handed down. What was that,

Emma, two weeks ago now, maybe three? Going on three weeks, yeah, from February 16th to today.

Okay, and just to set the stage a little bit when we recorded today

This very morning I opened an email from one of my favorite publications the free press

Emma I don't know if you opened that email it It was riffing, the headline was riffing on Ann Coulter's argument that abortion has become the rights, defund the police. And it was talking to women who had supported Ron Desantis in Florida, but because of the six-week ban, and then because they were associating, and I think actually this was just a woman in Alabama, not a desantis voter but because they were associating the ruling in Alabama with the Republican Party

they were falling out of sort of love with Republicans or questioning pro-life views, all of that in the mix.

And I set the table with all of this just to say, I want to start with the moral questions and not the political ones because I think what we're doing,

not you of course, but I think what the media is doing and even the Republican Party is doing is sort of conflating these things.

So just in the last couple of weeks since the ruling came down,

can you talk to us a little bit about whether you've been surprised by the response, about what you would expect. Did anything

interesting happen in the last couple of weeks as you watched this sort of morph

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