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Welcome to Zero to Well Read, a podcast about everything you need to know about the books you wish you'd read.

I'm Jeff O'Neill.

And I'm Rebecca Sinsky.

Today, we're exploring one of the most beloved and most challenged books in American history, Harper Lees, to Kill a Mockingbird. Before we jump in, though, if you're enjoying this show so far, we would sure appreciate it if you'd rate or review it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you're listening, and it certainly doesn't hurt if you share it with a bookish friend or five. Because the chances are they've read this book. Of all the books that we're going to talk about, Rebecca, this is the one that most of the people you might want to recommend the show too has read because to kill a mockingbird, it's a shelf staple of the kinds of people that kept their books from high school, that went on to become other kinds of book nerds. We're going to get into a lot of it here. You and I were just saying before we start recording, it's been a minute since we've read this. And I feel like culturally it's been a minute since anyone's considered to kill a mockingbird. Like rather than just being a chestnut that sort of everyone thinks they knows, they know what to kill a mockingbird is.

It is and isn't that book, Rebecca, I guess to preview some of my takes here.

Yeah, I agree.

There was a lot that I remembered and a whole lot that was different than what I remembered.

The last time I read it was, I think, in college 25 years ago.

I definitely read it in seventh grade. So my young memories and the things that I thought loomed large in the book. I was actually surprised by all of the other stuff

that's happening. The book was published in 1960, and I found a lot of reconsideration of it

from 2010 when it was turning 50, but there hasn't really

been a cultural discussion about this book in the last 15 years. And given that the book is so

much about race and about how we talk about race and how white people can understand race and

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