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Hello and welcome back to It Could Happen here. I'm your occasional host, Molly Conger,

and today we're going to be talking about something that is happening here, doxing Nazis.

Specifically, I'm talking to Chris Matthias about his new book, To Catch a Fascist, The Fight to Expose the Radical Right. Chris, thanks for coming on today. Oh my God, Molly. It's such a pleasure to be here. Thank you. I'm so excited to talk about this book. You sent me a copy of it recently. I don't think I remembered until I was reading it,

that I talked to you while you were writing it. Yes. Yes, you did.

Yeah, yeah. You're one of the many, many people I talked to. And you are quoted in the book,

in fact. I can't remember if you told it to me or if I cite it from somewhere else, but you

once compared the research that goes into doxing, unmasking Nazis, to basically investigating your ex's Instagram account, which I thought was an amazing comparison.

Because you're basically saying, like, this type of work is accessible if you've done that type of sleuthing.

Which is not something I'm admitting to do it. I'm not nosy about my exes. I'm just saying it is something many women are very good at. Exactly, yes. And they don't realize it's a transferable skill. Yeah, exactly. But for those who don't know, Christopher O'Methias has been covering the far right for more than a decade, right?

Yeah, exactly. But for those who don't know, Christopher O'Mathias has been covering the far right for more than a decade, right?

Yeah, yeah.

You were with Huffington Post for a long time, and you've been independent for a couple of years?

Yeah, so I was at Huff Post for like almost 14 years, and about 10 of those, I know it's wild.

And 10 of those years, I was covering the far right, which is how I ended up in Charlottesville in 2017 for unite the right rally which is something Molly and I have talked a lot

about before and yeah after I got back from Charlottesville my editor at the time was like this is your

beat now covering the far right.

So I was kind of like among this like initial crew of like digital media journalists who

suddenly found themselves on the like the right wing extremism beat.

And pretty quickly, you know, I realized while I was trying to unmask people in the far right that there were already people doing that work

and they were anti-fascist activists. Yeah, and so to prepare for today, I listened to a couple of

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